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Just wanted to start a thread for all those hard-core Star Wars fans out there. Were not going to discuss the title 'cause their is a seperate thread for that already. This is the place to discuss and ask about actual SW events. Whether they are from the movies, books, EU (expanded universe), past, present or future; I don't really care. I wouldn't mind the occasional questions either. Everybody is welcome to speak their mind!!! K......so how 'bout I start........

What do you want to see happen in the upcoming Revenge of the Sith?

Personally, I would have loved to see the planet Dantooine and the Rebel base, but that can't happen 'cause the rebellion dosn't start to form until at least 5-10 years after ROTS.

And maybe Darth Maul coming back. (joking)

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Welcome fellow SW fan
I'm looking forward to alot of things but I would love to see the death of Mace Windu.
SLJ has been talking about that since ep1 and I'm really looking forward to seeing it pulled of in spectacular fashion.
I also wouldnt mind seeing Dagobah, though it's not really important to the movie. Actually on second thought it might be better to think that Yoda 'dies' in ep3 only to be 'surprised' when he re-appears in ep5.

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I'd like to see Mace die, and also the relationship between Anakin and Padme' change. Plus, I'd like to see when the emperor reveals himself more.

You'll be comforted to know there are a good handful of us SW freaks on here...some more "freakish" than others...
(I'm out of that group!!!)

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I can't wait to see Grevious bust out 4 lightsabers on Obi-wan.

Also, the inevitable unveiling of Vader. Anakin realizing what he has become, and realizing his power for that matter.

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I would like to see Yoda and The Emperor fight it out.

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Ya Yada Yada Yoda!! Thanks for the support yo.

Now I don't know if you guys know the story behind General Grevious Shakar or who or what he is. Here are a few facts:

He is 95% Hybrid Cyborg and only 5% Omix-patra (Mainly just the brain, eyes and nervous system). Some might say that's gross but I'm all for it. Way to cool!!! Can't wait to see the mask come off.

Homeworld: Divon

He's is actually more than 2 thousand years old. He used to fight in the past Mandalorian war. Hence he has a grudge on anyone who has anything to do with the past Mandalorians. So you can see now why he decided to side with the Seperatists. He hates the clones because they were cloned from Jango Fett (a Mandalorian) and wants revenge for whatever might of happened to him during the Mandalorian war.

In addition, he just woke up in time for ROTS. (I can't tell you exactly how he goes to sleep or whatever, 'cause I kinda forgot. If you really want to know then I'll try dig the info. up)

Do you think General Grevious is a Sith, Dark Jedi, or merely just a talented fighter do to all the machinery he is made from? Did Darth Sidious know about him earlier, if not why? Do you think that Grevious will get along with Dooku?

Any other ideas you guys want to bring up, feel free to do so.

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Force Freak where do you get all of your info?

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Good question. Well for the most part I use the Internet and Books to get my information. I even go as far as reading the information of the back of new Star Wars Toys. I actually just finished creating my own Star Wars Timeline of novels all in Chronological order. Here are a few sources you might be interested in:

Some good internet sites to browse for SW info:

*Star Wars Databank
- lots of definitions, explanations, and info.

*The Force.net
- all the info you could possibly want. Take the time to click on on all the links.

*Super Shadow
- Warning!! Major spoilers. Lot's of goodies and tidbits here. Information Galore.

Some good books to read for SW info:

- The Essential Chronology (Star Wars) (and the rest of the Essential Guides series)

- The Star Wars Encyclopedia

- A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (3rd Edition).....(I highly recommend this book to any serious SW fan out there. It includes material from TPM. I can't wait for the fourth edition. It'll include all the stuff from AOTC and ROTS).

- And of course, all the other story related novels out there. Whether they're prequel or sequel related, their is a lot of info. in them.

I always love scavanging for any SW info. be it here or there. If this isn't enough for you then just dive into any Search Engine (Dogpile.com recommended) and have some fun.

So what do you think of Grevious?

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very impressive FF. I bow to you

As for GG. I'm trying not to learn too much so I'll be surprised when I finally see him fight for the first time. I'm sure I'll be more than impressed though

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Thank you for the information Force Freak. You are vary knowledgeable in the way of the force.

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No problem. Star Wars to me is basically like a hobby since I was like 13 years old. However I'm also a big movie fan all around. Just saw Alien vs. Predator 3 days a go and it wasn't bad.

For this third prequel I try and not read any information regarding its content. However, I like to know what's going on immediately before (kinda like a backdrop to the movie). Back 2 years ago when AOTC came out I practically knew each scene of the movie and it wasn't as thriling to me as TPM was. I totally spoiled it for myself. So this time around, I'm trying my best to avoid spoiler info. To tell you the through guys, it's not the easiest thing to do. Even a site like theforce.net has two messageboard forums, a spoiler one and non spoiler. So ya, I guess their are people who just want to know everything about a movie before it comes out, and then their are others. I'll do my best to avoid bringing up any spoilers.

So, how long have you guys been Star Wars fans? and What was the first thing, or event that made you think that SW was a cool movie?

Who is your all time favourite SW villain? (any villain from the movies, EU, comics etc.)

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I never saw any of these movies until The Phantom Menace came out, and I did a half-ass viewing of the original trilogy, which at the time, I didn't appreciate. It wasn't until last summer, before the release of SWG, that I watched the original three movies and found out how amazing they truely were. So I guess I've only been a Star Wars fan for a year. lol

Favorite villian eh? Umm...Darth Vadar, duh Oh, and rancors are pretty nasty too, even though they're more of a creature than a villian.

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I was hooked the moment I saw SW those many years ago in the theaters. What an experience.
I also remember lining up near my birthday waiting to see ESB. What I remember, other than the ultra-cool movie (especially the AT-AT scenes) was my mom bringing us a huge bag of McDonalds to eat while we waited. Then a little later a family friend bringing us another huge bag of McDonalds. I only remember eating the fries there was so much food.
ROTJ I remember seeing on opening day and then going to see it a few days after. It was probably the first time I've scene any movie more than once in the theaters.

For TPM, I remember 'calling in sick' to line up to get tickets. Of course since my supervisor (also a huge fan) was beside me, it probably wasn't necessary. Then we lined up for hours to see the midnight showing so we could get good seats.
Luckily I had seen the movie at a charity showing a few days before in the theater (brand new opened on the day that TPM was released) so I knew if I ran up the stairs instead taking the escalators I could get the best seats (which I did)

AOTC, my wife's favourite, we also went to the charity screening. It's probably notable in that we went to see it 13 times in the theaters including once in Japan. Didn't see the dubbed version though. Maybe we should have, it would have been interesing

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Wow, you saw AOTC 13 times. That's very impressive. But to be there in 1977 where it all started is beyond me. You are one of the original SW fans who were their on that opening day. That is so cool.

The first time I saw a Star Wars movie was back in 1996/1997 when the original SW movies were re-released as the "Special Edition." I was 11 years old turning 12 when ANH Special Edition was out. I can still remember that magical feeling of being in the theater. 2 months earlier I had picked up my first Star Wars book. I think that the combination of that first book and seeing ANH two months later got me hooked. From then on I started collecting anything that had SW on it, reading countless of SW novels, surfing the 'net, and counting the days till TPM. Currently I'm counting the days till the release of ROTS and the classic DVD trilogy. That's how it all pretty much started for me.

My favourite villain is probably Admiral Thrawn from the "Thrawn Trilogy". Runner-up is Phoe Ji from the 1st book, "Battle Surgeons", of the "Medstar" book duology. The 2nd book, "Jedi Healer", comes out this October 2004.

I'll give other people a bit more time to post their stuff if they want to before moving on. I would also like to post some poles up and definately get some more feed back. If you have any ideas or topics feel free to post them.

Current topics:

*Who is your favorite SW villain of all time?
*Describe how you first became a SW fan?

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I was about 4 at the time...I just remember that my friend next door had all the toys, inc. the MFalcon...and I was jealous because boys were expected to have those and not girls!

The best scene in any (ANY) of the movies is in EP4 where Luke is looking over the dunes of Tattoine at sunset and his theme is playing...that still gives me chills.

The best villain of all is (so far) still Darth Vader, because his evil runs more deeper and more personal to Luke and the good side of the Force.

I still find myself doing Yoda impressions at times and making my buddies laugh...!!!

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Toss up between the Emperor and Darth Vader.

I became a fan back when Stars Wars: A New Hope premired in 1977. I never had any of the models or action figures until I was older.

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Thanks for all the input guys/gals. Let's hyperspeed on over to another topic.

In "A New Hope" Darth Vader strikes Obi Wan down aboard the Death Star and Obi-Wan disappears and becomes one with the force. Now let's travel back to "The Phantom Menace". In the fight on Naboo between Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul, Qui-Gon is impaled fatally by Darth Maul. Why doesn't Qui-Gon fade away into the force like Obi-Wan did in ANH, but instead end up being cremated on Naboo at the end of the movie?

I think that this question will definately challenge everything we know about SW and the force. So, do not hesitate to give even your wildest of opinions.

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This is a tough one and I thought it was going to be explained more clearly in Ep3.
Of course if GL doesn't have enough time then I think it might be explained in the EU.

I think you can argue that OB1 was never really stuck down by DV. You never actually saw contact. We just saw OB1 raise his lightsaber and sort of disappear.
Maybe those Jedi with real affinity for the force have the ability to let go of there earthly bodies and become one with the force. Like Yoda did in ESB. Or alternatively like astral projection those with the skill can release there 'souls', so even if their bodies are struck down, their will exists.

Of course if this is true it raises some interesting possibilities. For example if a jedi can release their souls or minds to become one with the force, can the Sith do the same? ie is the Emperors will still alive.
Or if they can release their bodies, can they re-incorporate their bodies. Thus if they are strong enough (ie Yoda or Anakin), can they re-create their bodies and enter the real world, if they so choose.

I sort of get the feeling that GL, even if he clarifies it a bit, will leave it vague enough so we can argue this into eternity

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I believe that Obi-Wan became part of the Force immediately so he could get closer in thought to Luke in order to help him. If I'm not mistaken, Qui-Gon never talks to Obi-Won after his death--he didn't need to. OB1 had it together by that point. But Luke needed OB1's strong spiritual presence with him at all times...he was very green.

Plus, you could say that with OB1's body being in enemy hands, and no way for Luke and co. to retrieve it, they wouldn't be able to properly lay him to rest anyway. He didn't want to trouble them.

There. There's some crazy ideas to chew on!

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.....Maybe those Jedi with real affinity for the force have the ability to let go of their earthly bodies and become one with the force........Those with the skill can release there 'souls', so even if their bodies are struck down, their will exists........Can the Sith do the same?

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Interesting idea. So in a sense, if you are a Jedi Master you can let go and become one with the force. The only qustion is why didn't Qui-Gon let go? Did he maybe fail to forsee that he would die on Naboo? In ANH, Obi-Wan already new that he would die on board the Death Star.

Here's my theory. I think that Qui-Gon didn't follow the Jedi Code exactly. Or in other words, he deviated from the Jedi Code sometimes. This is very noticeable in the Jedi Apprentice series. In addition, during that last part of that series, Qui-Gon fell in love with another Jedi named Tahl. She later died at the end and therefore Qui-Gon was very devasted. This happened about 7 years before TPM. But then again, this dosn't explain it to much either.

Secondly, are the Sith able to do the same? Maybe the Sith aren't attuned on the same level as a Jedi Master and therefore the force does not accept or welcome them.

In conclusion, this does not resolve the issue any better. I have to think about this and maybe do a bit more research. But I think that the key to understanding is that the Force is neither 'evil' nor 'good.' It all depends on the nature of the weilder.

I found a very cool "essay" about the Force written by Yoda. It's titled 'A Way to the Force'. Check it out.

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Has anyone read the New Jedi Order series? There is a total of 19 books and the series is really good. The first book in the series is titled Vector Prime where the Jedi meet a new enemy called the Yuuzhan Vong who do not exist in the Force.

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Maybe in order to become on with the force, one must be at peace. If at any point you feel that you haven't finished your mission in life you cannot achieve the balance necessary to seperate yourself from your body.

In the case of Qui Gonn, maybe he felt, at least on a sub-conscious level, that he needed to be there. To let go you have to be able to think beyond the now and exist in a timeless environement.
Also if you take into account what Qui Gonn said at the beginning of the movie, you realize that Qui Gonn was focused very much on the now.

Or on a more pragmatic level, maybe he had expended so much energy fighting Maul that he didn't have the energy left to lift his spirit anymore. And maybe denying Anakin the wisdom of Qui Gonn was last legacy of Darth Maul.

It's almost too bad the there's only one more movie because the nature of the force is something that really could be examined. Or maybe once the movies are finished, GL will allow some of the writers to really examine what the Force really means.



wolverine, I've only read the first one Vector Prime (written by one of my favourite authors, R.A. Salvatore) and it is one that any SW fan should read. I think you would agree, if only for the twist

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So do the non-replies mean my Force ideas suck?!?

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Absolutely not and sorry for not replying. I got caught up in a different thread. You raise some very interesting points. Since Luke was still "very green", he would need guidance in order for him to refine his skills and become a Jedi. Therefore, the need for Obi-Wan's spiritual presence. And yes, we need to take in the fact that Obi-Wan knew before hand that he wouldn't be leaving the Death Star.

But then the question of why didn't Qui-Gon do the same thing, remains? Did Qui-Gon already know that Obi-Wan was ready? Therefore, maybe Qui-Gon didn't need to 'fade away' into the force because Obi-Wan could take care of himself, and in addtion train Anakin at the same time. I am very interested if we'll see Qui-Gon in spirit form in ROTS.

Thanks for your input. Keep up the good work.

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Has anyone read the New Jedi Order series? There is a total of 19 books and the series is really good. The first book in the series is titled Vector Prime where the Jedi meet a new enemy called the Yuuzhan Vong who do not exist in the Force.

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Yes, I actually finished that series almost a year a go. My favourite books in the New Jedi Order series are "The Unifying Force", "The Final Prophecy", "The Force Heretic" trilogy, and "The Edge of Victory" duology.

The Yuuzhan Vong did in fact exist in the Force but were stripped of it by the planet Zonama Sekot. Zonama Sekot is the key to the whole Yuuzhan Vong series. Here's some background information that will hopefully make sense to you:

Millenia of warfare, including the late Cremlevian war (500 years B.B.Y), destroyed most of the habitable worlds in the Yuuzhan Vong galaxy including the Yuzhaan Vong home world. However, before the homeworld died, it sent a seed out into space. That very same seed later on ended up in the "Star Wars" galaxy and matured into the living planet called "Zonama Sekot." Meanwhile the Vong struggled to survive on their dying world ships.

60 or so years before the novel "Vector Prime", Supreme Overlord Shimrra overthrew the past Overlord (who's name escapes me), by murdering him and as a result assumed total power. He did this because he belived that the Vong would not be able to survive in the Vong galaxy much longer. (And that was a fact) To summarize, the Vong spent around 55 to 60 years massing their forces, scouting the Star Wars galaxy, preparing their worldships and then eventually invading at the time of "Vector Prime."

**I highly *recommend* that wolverine69 (or anyone) read the "Rogue Planet" novel before reading the Yuuzhan Vong series any further. It takes place around 55 years before "Vector Prime." That's when the first sighting of Zonama happenes and Obi-Wan and Anakin are sent go check it out. Awesome book, you'll love it. It really ties into the ending of the Vong series.

Okay back to what I was taking about. Basically what happened was that before the Vong homeworld died, it stripped the Yuzhaan Vong of their force sensitivity. So you see how big of a role Zonama Sekot has in the invasion. Zonama Sekot is a living force sensitive planet that is able to control life and death on it's surface, and is able to appear to others in other forms and as other people. It is the single key to unlocking the Yuzhann Vong's past and the Jedis' Future.

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Do you happen to know when a new book will be out continuing after the The Jedi Order series ended?

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